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Nibbles01: Greetings.
[BD] Cheif45: NIBBLES
[BD] Cheif45: 'sup
Nibbles01: Things.
Nibbles01: Coffee!
[BD] Cheif45: OMG SAME
Nibbles01: Pies notified me that you required my Nibbly assistance :3
[BD] Cheif45: I do, infact :3
[BD] Cheif45: I herd, u know 'bout world war 1 RTS gaems
[BD] Cheif45: I've been looking for a good once, that incorporates trenches, gas and infantry correctly
[BD] Cheif45: and the mod of CoH I was following is dead
Nibbles01: Not sure such a thing exists.
[BD] Cheif45: And his is where I want to cry
[BD] Cheif45:
**** sakes I hate my keyboard
Nibbles01: If you're into RTS games, I'm definitely your guy, you've come to the right place.
[BD] Cheif45: I type to fat for it
[BD] Cheif45: fast*
[BD] Cheif45: and I love RTS games
Nibbles01: Just that it's not here to be found, unfotunately, I looked for a similar thing myself a while back.
[BD] Cheif45: Suck at 'em, but love them
Nibbles01: Do you play the Total War games?
Nibbles01: Company of Heroes?
[BD] Cheif45: No, I want too, and company of heroes
[BD] Cheif45: I love it
[BD] Cheif45: I mean RTS's like SC/CoH/etc where I dont need to build up a whole nation
[BD] Cheif45: I JUST WANNA BE ALL "BUILD SOLDIERS, KILL ENEMY SOLDIERS"
Nibbles01: I think building a nation is exactly what I love most about total war.
Nibbles01: It adds depth to the strategy, and lends realisms. Battles can have goals beyond "Destroy the other side"
Nibbles01: In real combat this is so rarely the case.
[BD] Cheif45: Is total war kinda like Civ?
Nibbles01: It's more in depth than Civ, but much more military-focused.
[BD] Cheif45: then I'd like that
[BD] Cheif45: I dont get paid till the 23rd, and I need a new PC anywho
Nibbles01: My year-old laptop runs Empire on medium-ish settings.
Nibbles01: You're sure you can't run it?
[BD] Cheif45: I can use Canyourunit
[BD] Cheif45: My CPU speed is too low
[BD] Cheif45: I could still run it though
Nibbles01: I will guess that you're not a computer guy, huh?
[BD] Cheif45: I am
[BD] Cheif45: Sorta
[BD] Cheif45: ish
[BD] Cheif45: Not really
[BD] Cheif45: but I'm learning
[BD] Cheif45: I cant overclock it either
[BD] Cheif45: Still, I can't afford it
Nibbles01: Shame 3:
Nibbles01: It's easily one of the most entertaining RTS games I've played in memory.
Nibbles01: Shogun II isn't as good, imo.
Nibbles01: Napoleon is kind of the same.
[BD] Cheif45: Is total war, the one where you can take control of the seperate units?
Nibbles01: No.
[BD] Cheif45: as in a third person view
Nibbles01: Total War is...
Nibbles01: You're thinking Men of War.
[BD] Cheif45: Ah
Nibbles01: Total War is based on warfare in various periods.
Nibbles01: Empire: Total War is the one I was talking about.
Nibbles01: My personal favorite.
Nibbles01: It's based on 1700-1799
[BD] Cheif45: I know
Nibbles01: The 18th century in its entirety.
[BD] Cheif45: Its why I was interested in it
[BD] Cheif45: I mean, you're at the height of the british empire, Napolean is a few years away
Nibbles01:
No I mean, it's cool.
Nibbles01: Really.
[BD] Cheif45:
[BD] Cheif45: I know its cool mate
[BD] Cheif45: Id prolly play mostly german
Nibbles01: Prussian!
Nibbles01: It wasn't Germany yet, silly! :3
[BD] Cheif45: xD
[BD] Cheif45: Prussian*
Nibbles01: Well Austrians are also German.
Nibbles01: So you have a choice. :3
[BD] Cheif45: Still, Hessians kicking them brit ass
[BD] Cheif45: I wish the Waffen-SS was included in Company of Heroes
Nibbles01:
Feel free to mute, but the melee combat is incredible.
[BD] Cheif45: 0:19-0:21
[BD] Cheif45: Something I've wanted to see properly done in a game, I'm happy now
Nibbles01:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_jTUtGXNmE&feature=related :3
Nibbles01: This is Napoleon but they're pretty similar.
Nibbles01: Napoleon is just what it sounds like 1812-1829 or something like that.
Nibbles01: Picks up right after Empire and ends before German unification.
[BD] Cheif45: 1804-1815
Nibbles01: Same difference.
Nibbles01: x3
[BD] Cheif45: Ahaha
[BD] Cheif45: I love history
[BD] Cheif45: When I get my new PC that Crynsos built
[BD] Cheif45: Im going to spend 2-300 dollars on vidya
[BD] Cheif45: Most RTS's, a few FPS's and maybe an EVE sub
[BD] Cheif45: This vidya is sex
[BD] Cheif45: War is sex
[BD] Cheif45: Sex is gay compared to violence
[BD] Cheif45: I'd give up sex for life, if I could be in an unending war.
Nibbles01: I think you'd die quickly.
[BD] Cheif45: I know
[BD] Cheif45: But I'd die on a battlefield
[BD] Cheif45: which is the only way you should die.
Nibbles01: Nothing about having your organs splayed out is the least bit symbolic or heroic.
Nibbles01: I couldn't disagree more.
[BD] Cheif45: I know what you're thinking, Im not like those kids who think "OH IM GOOD AT COD ID BE A GREAT SOLDIER"
Nibbles01: I'd give up sex for life if I could be in an unending peace.
[BD] Cheif45: The world needs people like us
[BD] Cheif45: You, for your hippy peace loving views
[BD] Cheif45: Me, to justify your hippy peace loving views
Nibbles01: I'm no hippie. War is the most terrible experience anyone can ever have.
[BD] Cheif45: I don't doubt that
[BD] Cheif45: It's my personal belief though, that society and humanity in general come together better during a war than peace.
Nibbles01: Hundreds of young men with bright futures die for no good reason. It's economically quite healthy, but ethically and morally absolutely repulsive.
[BD] Cheif45: This
**** in afghanistan is no war
[BD] Cheif45: Nor Iraq, Vietnam, Korea
Nibbles01: Nobody would dispute that war is healthy for a state, but I do not owe my allegience to a state, I owe it to people. That's the fundamental disconnect.
[BD] Cheif45: This Syria bullshit we're getting ourself into, along with Iran
[BD] Cheif45: It's pathetically about money
Nibbles01: War is always about money.
[BD] Cheif45: Which, as much as I'd LOVE to die on a field with my brothers, I will not enlist.
Nibbles01: War is/was always about money.
Nibbles01: Make no mistake, whatever past you look to starry-eyed was about money almost universally.
[BD] Cheif45: I look at a past where our men weren't killed by being politcially correct
Nibbles01: Instead they
**** and pillaged and burned. Seems to be an excellent alternative.
[BD] Cheif45: I've seen too many videos of Canadian/American/Coalition forces being shot and killed or wounded due to them not being able to fire back.
[BD] Cheif45: There is a difference between restraint and total anarchy
[BD] Cheif45: Look at the Heer, and then the Waffen-SS
[BD] Cheif45: Heer, the greatest ground force the world had seen at the time, Disciplined, Correct, not one to massacre people often
Nibbles01: The SS are/were
**** insane. I have some respect for the Deutsches Heer.
[BD] Cheif45: Then the Waffen-SS as sexy as their uniforms are, they were madmen
[BD] Cheif45: I wish they did include them in Company of Heroes though, for historical accuracy
Nibbles01: Can't say I'm comfortable with your views.
[BD] Cheif45: It's fine, a lot of people aren't
[BD] Cheif45: Lets not talk about them, it'll ruin our conversation
Nibbles01: It already has.
[BD] Cheif45: I feel foolish
[BD] Cheif45: Any point in trying to salvage it, or should I go?
Nibbles01: I'm not one to close off views I don't agree with... generally speaking.
[BD] Cheif45: I'm glad to hear that
Nibbles01: I fail to see how you can say something like "...on a battlefield [...] is the only way you should die."
Nibbles01: With anything even close to a straight face.
[BD] Cheif45: That's very fair
[BD] Cheif45: I'm gonna change the subject
[BD] Cheif45: Did you know, if you drink a carbonated drink and lean a certain way, your body forces you to burp?
Nibbles01: No, admittedly.
[BD] Cheif45: Nor did I, but Ive been drinking a concoction of Amp/Coke and I had a 30 second burp when I tried to check my phone
Nibbles01: How old are you?
[BD] Cheif45: 17, I know what you're thinking. Please don't
[BD] Cheif45:
**** sakes STALKER, stop launching.
[BD] Cheif45: There is no need for you to believe me, but I've had far more expierances with the military than most kids my age, I've shot C-7/8's and the C-21
[BD] Cheif45: I've fired a AT4 and I've been inside a Leopard A3
[BD] Cheif45: A2*
Nibbles01: Let me know how you feel about warfare when you see a man die.
Nibbles01: If you feel nothing, please be next.
[BD] Cheif45: I have
[BD] Cheif45: And that's kind of dark
Nibbles01: How anyone could be so bloodthirsty is beyond me.
[BD] Cheif45: Gladly come speak with the rest of us, if you'd like
[BD] Cheif45:
http://Fenrirsfangs.smfnew.com[BD] Cheif45: Many more people more "bloodthirsty" than I there
[BD] Cheif45: I understand if you refuse to speak with me, I shall go.
Nibbles01: No, you don't understand.
[BD] Cheif45: Please, enlighten me.
Nibbles01: War is not a game. There's nothing dramatic or noble about soldiering or dying in battle. It's cruel, short, painful, and destructive. No part of it is in any way positive.
[BD] Cheif45: If you think, that I think it is a game. You've seriously underestimated my intelligence, and I feel personally offended.
Nibbles01: Now we share that, then.
[BD] Cheif45: My views shouldn't offend you, as I have not said or implied you are wrong, stupid or in any way lower.
Nibbles01: "Hippie" just implies all sorts of strong, resolute thinking. Who are you kidding?
[BD] Cheif45: I use hippy as a blanket term Nibbles, I meant no personal offense
[BD] Cheif45: I apologize if you were offended or hurt by me calling you a hippy.
Nibbles01: I'm very disappointed.
[BD] Cheif45: Why are you disappointedÉ
[BD] Cheif45: ?*
[BD] Cheif45: Do you know how to fix that, btw?
Nibbles01: In you, I mean. Such a hateful belief system...
Nibbles01: It does not at all fit my perception of you up to this point.
[BD] Cheif45: Then do not let it
[BD] Cheif45: I disagree with a vast vast majority of this planet
[BD] Cheif45: But I'm tolerant and quiet about it
[BD] Cheif45: If I wasn't, I'd be no better than... Hitler or the KKK
Nibbles01: Interfering in beleif systems really isn't my place.
[BD] Cheif45: I'm glad for that
Nibbles01: I have literally never encountered anyone with a thought process similar to this.
[BD] Cheif45: I thought you've spoken to Vora
Nibbles01: Contrary to what I suspect your logic sounds like; That does not make it a worthwhile system.
Nibbles01: If you are literally interpreting the tenets of a video game clan as legitimate feelings, you may have a disorder.
[BD] Cheif45: Modemkill, BlackRain, Lord Zhufor, Kamots...
Nibbles01: This so-called "Angel" is an atheist.
[BD] Cheif45: Oh how little you understand..
[BD] Cheif45: Not trying to belittle you
[BD] Cheif45: But we're more than a ''Video game clan'' as you put it
Nibbles01: As far as I've seen...
Nibbles01: Doesn't look it.
[BD] Cheif45: Exactly.
Nibbles01: If you're about to tell me it extends to real life, then what you're part of is a cult.
Nibbles01: And I have had enough dealings with crazy internet motherfuckers in the last two years to last me a lifetime, thank you. Tread lightly.
[BD] Cheif45: Which. Is why I am wanting to change this subject.
[BD] Cheif45: Since it is becoming more and more personal to me.
Nibbles01: It was personal for me since you said you thought killing people in battle was glorious and awesome and worthy of praise.
Nibbles01: No law which I have ever lived under would consider such a person sane.
[BD] Cheif45: I apologize, I had no idea it was personal, and then you consider the whole of the US Military, along with ever member of a military all over the world ''Insane''
Nibbles01: Bullshit. I know plenty of service members who have their primary motivation in something like educational funding or simply having steady income.
[BD] Cheif45: As do I
Nibbles01: Some will kill to survive or improve themselves, I disapprove but I have no power to stop them.
[BD] Cheif45: But they all relish in combat, as does all humanity.
Nibbles01: Some will kill because they like it.
[BD] Cheif45: It brings out the best and worse in humans.
[BD] Cheif45: You feel true brothership, hate and anger, along with sadness, relief and pain.
[BD] Cheif45: You feel regret, for what you had to do
[BD] Cheif45: but you accept it was either you or him, and for that you are relieved you were able to become a better person for it.
[BD] Cheif45: What people I've met who hate all violence, killing, etc do not seem to get, is that not everyone who feels nothing when they witness a death, or cause it. Is insane, or dangerous.
[BD] Cheif45: I am not insane, nor dangerous.
Nibbles01: Sane is an average.
Nibbles01: You are outside of the bounds of this average.
Nibbles01: You are insane.
[BD] Cheif45: Ive watched 3 men, and countless animals die, and I felt and feel nothing.
Nibbles01: Then your mind does not operate like a normal one.
[BD] Cheif45: Then so be it, call me insane.
Nibbles01: And you need
**** therapy.
[BD] Cheif45: I'm sure.
Nibbles01: You are, by technicality, what I would call insane. Empathy is a part of sanity.
Nibbles01: You seem to posess exactly none of it.
[BD] Cheif45: Why does it matter to you if I possess empathy?
There is much much more to this conversation, but Its unimportant.
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