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Posted by: flynntaggart
« on: January 06, 2010, 01:38:09 pm »i don't understand how the system would work with pvp/no pvp without a lobby :\
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Posted by: Meldon« on: January 06, 2010, 12:57:27 pm »Unless they have a clan war option, in which that case they are automatically marked for PvP.This. It's what I would do if it were my game, anyways. In case of a clan war all members of the warring parties would be able to be PVP'd by the other clan without individual consent (as long as they are a certain distance from the outpost, like a block or two, to prevent camping. Posted by: Sir Modemkill, Cyborg!« on: January 06, 2010, 09:49:50 am »Even with a clan system, you're going to need consent from the enemy to attack them...which totally sucks balls.
 Posted by: CrazyHobo« on: January 06, 2010, 03:16:34 am »that's why we're waiting for a clan system.
Posted by: Sir Modemkill, Cyborg!« on: January 06, 2010, 01:17:33 am »Can't PvP without consent?
How the **** does he expect clan wars to work? "I'm declaring war on you!" "Uhh, no, I don't accept." "Aww..." Posted by: Meldon« on: January 05, 2010, 05:13:26 pm »You raise good points but I can't say I completely agree. =/
But that's what voting is for, yes? Posted by: Tratpan« on: January 05, 2010, 03:36:58 pm »And now for the wall of text version  The saying of quality over quantity still remains, but so does strength in numbers. There was some consideration in making Engine=Reaper with the same privileges, but the propose system is to support a large number of members and to adapt to AdminPwn’s ideas. Our previous systems allowed people to become idle in any rank and not live up to the evolutionary standards set by the Black Dragon clan. This new system should meet and exceed the highlighted challenges quoted from AdminPwn. Time to squash some myths: I also suspect that there will eventfully be some sort of Zones where avoiding PVP isn’t an option, but that just my assumption made from other successive games. And more info about the need of groups.
I hope that we can double our numbers so we can always have at least 20 members online at anytime to help each other, working as a clan with active and commited members.  About Fenrirs… Having 8 Fenrirs doesn’t mean that all positions have to filled, even now, some of Fenrirs are not contributing enough to deserve their status. In the end, the Draconis will be making sure that only the best can be nominated as every few months, they can become a Draconis.  A Fenrir is someone we want that has done everything in DF, actively playing the game, lurking on forums and can give guidance for every rank. The system allows anyone to become a Fenrir/ Draconis, by meeting perquisites for each rank and getting nominated, they earned it through time and experience so it insures that our clan will remain active and strong. Once a player had achieve everything, we wanted potential leaders that can become Fenrirs that had experience some end game content by obtaining dusk items through top survivor/pvper also qualifies as a optional requirement for the Fenrir rank. If Dusk items are too difficult then simply beating a Draconis/Fenrir in combat when you’re a Reaper will also count. In short, Fenrirs will have a shared responsibility of a sub leader that can monitor the clan 24/7 without specifically in charge of each rank. Our clan would always allow members to socialize and take things easy as a Settler or Engine for PVE and Forum dwellers, more importantly, our clan will always demand respect or fear one way or other. Posted by: flynntaggart« on: January 05, 2010, 03:20:34 pm »the reasoning behind the PvE first then PvP is this
A PvE build is first required to achieve a PvP build Its how I started, and unless you have people literally giving you supplies and money everyday since day 1, its how you must do it too Not going to say a lvl 20 can't be an effective PvP build, because it can but generally higher levels are the top Pvpers(not point wise, but power wise(i could slaughter a lvl 20 with a gau but he could easily gain more points than myself)) production is a step that a good pvper needs because he/she needs to build up that base and money before being able to pvp freely not saying you can't loot with a pvp build and not saying you can't pvp with a pve build (i looted 200k in 3 days w/o a gm a few days ago before i left ;_;, and was killing peps with my pve build a long time ago) but production is the essential building block step before pvp Fenrir need to be PvPers first because of the idea behind their role in Dusk The Fenrir are considered the senior non commissioned officers of the clan and therefore must have the ability to literally rip apart subordinates(with the acceptation of some fenrir who were grandfathered in, which btw it may be time to start looking at who is performing their role in this regard) Posted by: Gruj« on: January 05, 2010, 12:00:07 pm »I think not, Jarki.Me  Nah.  not good enough for that.Posted by: TRHeadshot« on: January 05, 2010, 11:35:57 am »/support meldon
Posted by: Meldon« on: January 05, 2010, 11:27:24 am »Rather than the Class system proposed here, I propose a Caste system that branches out after settler. Engine (Production/PVE), Reaper (PVP), Gatherer* (Looter/PVE), possibly more would all have the same rank level, security clearance, etc. Then it would go to one path again (Fenrir then Draconis), with two or three Fenrirs as the head of each class (including Crazy and future partner as head of Settlers).
Posted by: TRHeadshot« on: January 05, 2010, 11:14:37 am »I agree with meldon, it should be a more non-linear path. It should branch out after settler. Also.
Requirements: ★ Complete trials set by a Fenrir ★ Must fight for these positions every 3 months by defeating a Fenrir/Draconis ★ Have a +lvl 50 character that can not get auto deleted by DF, good PVP stats and gear Duties: ★ Be active and ready for war ★ Cause fear by PvPing a lot ★ Cause chaos by ruining OA, market price and infiltrating other clans with alts What does this final section denote? And crap, I'd better get to Lv. 50 quickly. Anyone got any 7.5s? Posted by: Meldon« on: January 05, 2010, 10:07:36 am »****, now I have to actually PLAY Dead Frontier... Oh well, that just means I'll have less time on my other games.
I don't like how you have to be Reaper before Fenrir. Saying "Engine is the production/PVE rank, and Reaper is the PVP rank" then having them be linear system rather than a branched one is kinda saying PVP is more important than production, and PVE people have to go through PVP if they want to become a Fenrir. For example, one of the Reaper requirements is to have good PVP stats, and one of the Fenrir requirements is to be a Reaper once, is pretty much keeping people with PVE biulds out of Fenrir. I had more critiques but I forgot them. =/ Posted by: CrazyHobo« on: January 05, 2010, 09:47:13 am »I think not, Jarki.
I'm in need of an assistant  Posted by: Tratpan« on: January 05, 2010, 03:34:03 am »Official Rules Coming Soon
The Fenrirs/Draconis had over 3 months to make any amendments to this Topic. Now the rest of the clan has their chance to state their opinions before it’s too late. Important Notes: ★ Any Agent that doesn’t meet the requirement for the new system will be allowed to keep their position for 3 months until they’re qualified or else is demoted to a more accurate position. ★ Any Agent that vouched for any new members into Dusk must become their "Shadow". A Shadow is responsible for their recommended candidate, to guide and watch over their mark until death. Our reason Due to pass events, this is to clearly outline our roles and requirements To see old version, press - Link- Dusk Class Structure/Basic Information  Only 4 Draconis Positions Requirements: ★ Position change if a Draconis becomes inactive/stepdown, 3 months has pass or not doing duties. ★ +6 months as Fenrir and must be nominated 1/2 Fenrir Duties: ★ Responsible for the entire functioning of Dusk by negotiating and organising changes ★ Promoting new Agents to Dusk Fenrir rank ★ Promoting clan and keeping clan relations ★ Kick members, demotions and setting penalties ★ Maintaining clan structure, activity and communications ★ Certify activities generated by clan  Only 8 Fenrir Positions Requirements: ★ Complete trials set by a Draconis ★ Position change if a Fenrir becomes inactive/stepdown, 3 months has pass of not doing duties ★ +6 months within the clan and nominated by at least 4 other Fenrir ★ Obtain Reaper Rank once or obtain Dusk gear Duties: ★ Be active or else be demoted to Zero after 3 months of no DF/forum activity ★ Recruit and set trial for new Agents ★ Suggest members un/suitable for Fenrir ★ Monitor and report behaviour of problematic people or events ★ Monitor activity of members and update clan roster & wiki ★ Suggest new activities ★ Be very generous on donations and offers to other Fenrirs  Requirements: ★ Complete trials set by a Fenrir ★ Must fight for these positions every 3 months by defeating a Fenrir/Draconis ★ Have a +lvl 50 character that can not get auto deleted by DF, good PVP stats and gear Duties: ★ Be active and ready for war ★ Cause fear by PvPing a lot ★ Cause chaos by ruining OA, market price and infiltrating other clans with alts  Requirements: ★ Complete trials set by a Fenrir ★ +3 months within the clan, +lvl 45 production/service class as main character or ★ Can contribute something worthy for the clan i.e. Vent Server, Programming skills etc Duties: ★ Offer generous offers to all seniors, especially with the Reaper rank ★ Be active and share or else be demoted to Zero after 50days of no forum activity for this site ★ Strive for Reaper Rank  Requirements: ★ +3 months within clan ★ Complete trials set by a Fenrir ★ Min lvl 40 ★ Either 100 skill weapon(nonmelee) OR dusk equipment ★ A mix of lvl 90 and 80 weapons may also be used if the build is powerful ★ Armor must be of high quality based off strength Duties: ★ Organise and participate in multiplayer looting/lvling/PvP parties ★ Encourage trade and communications ★ Be active or else be demoted to Zero after 50days of no forum activity ★ Strive for Reaper Rank  Requirements: ★ Be either a inactive member or ★ Doing their first Dusk Trials set by a Fenrir and complete application form and introduction or ★ Awaiting judgment from superiors or ★ Undergoing disciplinary procedures or ★ Under lvl 40 and item/stat requirements Duties: ★ Remain active within 50 days by visiting this forum or be kicked ★ Be accepted into Dusk by end of 2 weeks or be kicked ★ Become a Dusk Settler |
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